Clash About Point Of Views From Two Writing Guides P2

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First Person Point of View Lesson from Gabriel Arquilevich

If you use first person, you participate in the story, using the pronoun I in the narration.

- I walked through the doorway and saw a magnificent garden.
In first person, the narrator's feelings and thoughts are on the surface, allowing for a great range of emotion and tone. The reader often feels personally attached to the storyteller. On the other hand, because the story is being told from one person's viewpoint, the overall scope of the narration is limited.
Me is another pronoun used but rather infrequently. Mine is a possessive first person noun that is used.

Complaining about an exaggeration of first person view rules on Google search. Rarely do I ever see the pronoun "we" being used in a first person of you. It shows up every once in a while in a third person point of view as a synonym replacement for they when you're only referring to two people or two things. And the inaccuracies with google is that it tells that is a first person point of view pronoun but I am sorry how is that true. First person is singular how is point of view suppose to include the word "we"? It just makes the story sound weird like as if it were in present tense not past tense. Maybe I am being paranoia. That is the only place I believe you would get aware with we being a first person point of view pronoun apparently Google search. You barely understand writing or its writers' processes. Thanks for being an idiot. I know I'm not paranoid. -Lumna10.

First Person Point of View by James Hynes
In the objective first person distant narration uses first-person pronouns, but it maintains a certain distance from the action of the narrative. in other words, the story or novel is narrated by a fictional character who plays only a minor part in the story or isn't present in the story at all.
Tivo good examples are Ishmael in Moby-Dick and Nick Carraway in The Great Gats by.

At ground level in our landscape is the subjective first person, in which the first-person narrator is the main character or one of the main characters in the story. For example, Huck Finn is both the narrator and the main character of Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. We see and hear everything in the book through Huck's eyes, and we know only what Huck witnesses or hears about. In more recent times, the subjective first person has become more prevalent.

This curve of sky representing different points of view is a continuum, of course, and narratives can and do find points between the ones we've just described. In addition, many books mix and match points of view.

In my second co author book in preintroductory scenes especially in Chapter 1: The Stand Ins of my Winter's Magical Adventure book Predecessor scenes in chapters before the plot of The Magical Adventure Tecna says something like this, "Then we shouldn't talk it lightly." The dialogue with in the quotations could be either or 2nd person or third person but it is definitely not 1st person. The dialogue tags are always third person point of view if you have them in your books.
Bloom also says this. "Then we should inform Sky and Jace about the situation we have."
The last we is third person of view from within the dialogue. The first we is actually second person point of view, Skylights. Get my drift?!-Lumna10.

More examples of how to use we in point of views from my book example.
"Great then, we should set up a reservation at one of the lodges in Magix city." Stella said.

"Um book it for 5 or 6 Winter and I aren't going to the Opening Year Ceremony this year, it's our birth Mom's birthday we want to spend a couple weeks with her, so Stella, can we borrow your Magic Postcard?" questioned Bloom.

"When you do go to Alfea, Roxy and Amara, tell Mirta and Ms. Faragonda, we miss them a lot." Winter informs them.

"We will do that." says Amara. (Notice Amara's reply here when she uses the word we in a present 1st person point of view within her dialogue it comes off suggestive as it might never happen.)

"We had better go tell Sky and Jace the situation we have." Bloom tells Winter.

"Agreed, sis, let's go." explained Winter. "We should start hiring some employees for the Love and Pet shop before any of us go anywhere, Bloom."

(Compared to Bloom & Winter's use of we they are referring to themselves together because they are twins and this story is being told by both of them thus a second person point of view is required with the word we being used in place of You.)
The use of we in second person is unconventional, to many apparently, but totally possible to do. -Lumna10.

4th wall breaking Point of View-Second person rarely used in narrative It refers to the person being adresed, the you who is doing the reading like create your own mystery books and computer games. Here is an example:
Second person set in interative reading here's an example. (Note Gabriel said you is for interactive reading or watching and you the read are personally  addressed.
- You walk through the doorway and see the magnificent garden. Do you enter?

The American Girl Books have their own series of Interactive Mystery books where they personally address you with questions.
Now it's time to practice different points of view. Using first person, make up a one page episode in your story.
The following day, describe the same episode from third person omniscient or third person limited point of view. This will introduce you to the advantages and disadvantages of each narrative strategy. When you're done, decide which point of view best suits your story. Be prepared to justify your decision.
For my magical adventure part of the book Winter's Magical adventure 2nd person and third person point of views are all used and not once do any of the Winx use the would I and if it does show up it's rare. In The Mystery of the Abyss the story is always told from Third person point of view unless stated otherwise which is again rare.

My example for the note the difference in the two second person point of views from Faragonda to Roxy and her little sis Amara in Faragonda's letter publicly address them with we and you together below.

Dear Miss Roxy and Amara

I regret for starters the last time we met for startling you, girls, so I wanted to make it up to you with a tour of the school campus of Alfea alongside a soon to be second year Alfea Student, Mirta. She will be your guide, and, if you decide to come to Alfea-she will mentor you and help you practice spells and master your magic abilities. Pets are welcome at Alfea and so all you need for Artu's care will be provided in your dorm room upon arrival. I would like you to come experience Alfea without getting overwhelmed by other staff and students and teachers who will want to quickly get to know you. My sincerest heartfelt apologies, Roxy and Amara. I shouldn't have demanded that you have to come to Alfea. Just come for a tour and after that the choice is yours to make. Sincerely your friend, Headmistresses Faragonda."

Yours and ours are 2nd person possessive nouns.
"Their" is a third person possessive noun.
Its is any point of view possessive noun.

The Rest of Lecture 15 from James Hynes below.

The Narrator's Audience
One question related to point of view is this: Is the narration addressed to an unknown reader in the real world, or is it addressed to some person or group of people who exist in the world of the story?

Consider, for example, three of the most famous first-person narratives in literature: Bront's Jane Eyre, Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, and Nabokov's Lolita. In all three, there are at least hints of awareness that he or she is addressing the reader of the book.
Jane Eyre narrates her story famous as if she were writing her memoir for posterity. In the most famous line in the book, she makes it clear she knows she's writing a book when she says about Mr. Rochester, "Reader, I married him."
(Thank you punctuations of commas and periods within and outside dialogue tags are perfectly aligned for me thank you Brontë!)

Huck Finn bridges the gap between fiction and reality in his
first sentence: "You don't know about me without you have read a book called The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mr. Mark Twain." Here, we have a fictional character speaking directly to the reader and referencing a real book by a real author, in which he, Huck, first appears as a fictional character.

Lolita opens with an introduction by a fictional psychiatrist, and the rest of the book is pitched as a confession written by Humbert Humbert in prison. Unlike Jane Eyre and Huck Finn, who cross the divide between the fictional world and the real world, Humbert Humbert remains more constrained within the pages of his book because he knows he's writing something that may only ever be read by the authorities who locked him away. -James Hynes

Not one of those addressing readers is a 2nd person point of view up above just pointing it out. -Lumna10

This question becomes even more complicated when we consider first-person narrators who speak in the present tense. Such a narration contributes to the pace and immediacy of an exciting story, but there's something fundamentally improbable about it: Are we to understand that the character is silently narrating his or her own actions in the moment?

The uses of the third person can be just as diverse. The 19th-century third-person omniscient voice of George Eliot and Leo Tolstoy is very much a public, authoritative voice. The more feverish voice of Dickens, however, sounds more like a particular person, even though he often writes in the third person.

There are also third-person narrations that presume the reader's intimacy with the social setting and the worldview of the author, such as Jane Austen in Pride and Prejudice.

In the 20th century, the stream-of-consciousness third person of such books as Mrs. Dalloway doesn't seem as though it's speaking to anyone outside of the character, let alone outside of the novel. Even though the novel is technically in the third person, the effect of reading Mrs. Dalloway's narrative voice is like eavesdropping on each character's thoughts as they happen.
-James Hynes.

Writing Prompt
Choose an opening from one of the books discussed in this lecture, another book you've read, or something you've written and try rewriting it from a different point of view, in a different verb tense, or in a different voice. Would The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn work if it were narrated in the third person or in the first person by an elderly Huck looking back on his childhood? Would George Eliot be able to create as broad a portrait of the community in Middlemarch if it were narrated by only one character? What would I, Claudius feel like if it was written in the present tense? Would it make the Roman emperor's court feel more immediate, or would it just feel bizarre?

58 chapters left, Skylights in this writing advice book as a whole. James Hynes gets repetitive too in his next lectures 16 & 17 repeat first person point of view and third person point of view talks already ended. I won't announce them but they'll be added soon. -Lumna10.


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